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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yuria hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan

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psycho hello Richard hmm hello you look

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a little bit dead leg to me how I'm okay

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I'm okay I mean like now for a few days

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so the world is catching up head me

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world catch up with here is you've just

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come back from of course t am the

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amazing using in vegas yes not too long

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ago i'm still getting over the shock the

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shock of being back your wallets

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probably getting over the shock too cuz

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did did vegas empty your wallet it you

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do all the casinos and poker machines

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and things a little bit a little bit i

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think my my total outlay in poker

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machines and gambling was about five

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dollars that's good you control of

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course you know the old sky blue a

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skeptic I do i do anyway scarce Stefan

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Stefan welcome to the skillet exert it's

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great to have you back and it's such a

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shame that I wasn't attend but it is

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wonderful to take to have you back and

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find out all about what happened I know

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I know I'm not see some of the photos

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these are the photograph looks like a

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hoot by the way this is episode number

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197 hundred twenty-eight of July 197 197

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wasn't not long ago we were here doing

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episode one that's ridiculous 197 yep oh

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my goodness well congratulations in

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three episodes time we'll have to have a

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special cup of tea we will we'll sit

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down and have a nice cup of tea for 300

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years so Sam what's gonna happen for

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that I mean for this episode you must

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have a hell of a lot of stuff to do is

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conveying as you know I've got such a

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wealth of mine a gold mine all night of

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interviews I'm interviews courtesy of

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Maynard and today I kicking off the show

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it's a wonderful interview main i did

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with gio George rub oh yes

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classic religion and a musician and a

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talent and all sorts of stuff now this

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is the sort of the highlight version of

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the interview the interview went for

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nearly two hours oh goodness new hours

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I've tried to pick the best bits out of

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it but I think Maynard's probably got

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the plan somewhere along the track to

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release the whole two hours as a special

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or something like that but I've with the

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edited version just ajust a warm up and

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get started something like at the water

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what a wonderful interview it is just

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nice chat backstage at the amazing

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meeting now more I hear Maynard was an

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absolute dynamo over there he deceives

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when he went nuts he did he went nuts

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him and his gold jacket a perfect of a

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who was it I turned up at Penn Jillette

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had a musical night in the big party

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with bacon and bagels and all those of

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thing oh yeah and he was on stage

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playing the bass knew as a band and I I

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wouldn't have a look and suddenly

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running past me in these gold check

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having a great time uh yes well I

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suppose over the next probably however

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long like a couple of years we're going

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to be hearing at this stage anyway after

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Maynard's interview of Geo George Crum I

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catch up with michael cruz from canada

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and he's going to tell us all about a

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project they've got going there called

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bad science watch reminding government

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and other people in canada that there's

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a lot of dodgy science out there

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especially when it comes to consumer yes

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yes and invested interest in science of

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course because they where they skew the

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results and that can happen yeah that

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camp was he talking more about like it's

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pseudoscience and he's just talking

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about where science is used incorrectly

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you know the media do that a lot yes

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they do they don't dare misquote

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misquoting machete for science wrong

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anyway this very interesting project

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happening in canada x michael cruz will

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tell us all about that coming up and

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then after that it's penny chan oh yes

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the old penny for your thoughts for your

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thoughts live from the amazing meeting

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she's going to be talking to Susan go

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back susan has a project going where

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she's translating are skeptical

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ki pages ah skip it so if you go to a

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wiki page about the skeptics on podcast

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maybe James Randi or whatever the case

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may be she's involved in a project

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getting people to translate those pages

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into lots and lots of different

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languages that's a very good idea

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there are some I can't not languages but

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some countries that maybe speak other

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languages that could do with a bit of

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more healthy skepticism probably rious

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probably right so she's looking for

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anybody who speaks English and another

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language many around the world to get in

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touch details coming up in the interview

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so you you no matter where you are

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listening in the world you can help out

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in this project especially if you speak

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another language yeah XO well I'm

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looking forward to this episode because

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it's going to be just a taste just an

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initial taste of this fabulous time that

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you just come back ah and now we're all

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counting down for the next one planning

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the next one already finally the next

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one already not sure when it's going to

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be I don't we tam 11 and I don't leave

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tam 11 and that will be my seventh

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seventh one I think she is you jetsetter

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you Ashley okay can I have to recount

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because there was tam Australia of

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course oh yeah and you were I wasn't

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terrible but like it could be my first

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time at vegas next year we'll see how we

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go oh you pretty Oh get on it working on

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it we might even have a think tank or a

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skeptic zone line oh they'll just we'll

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just kick s to you at skeptics guide off

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of the universe off the stage do our own

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thing to her well let's get on with the

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here's my not spooky action at a

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time so I don't let that you're you're

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great you're really great i love what

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you do i love you vibe anybody that

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meets you that knows you it's just such

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a nice vibe and positive and it's really

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my friends just really enjoy him so oh

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yeah because this is a little bit

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different look ladies and gentlemen I'm

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backstage in the bowels in fact I can

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smell decomposing food somewhere I'm

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sure I've got the tap bill now as you

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using only i have been able to use that

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but Jill drop you can use my exclamation

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bill if you want so this is purely for

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emphasis that that's right it could be

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sorts of stuff I could have hepatitis B

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yeah that kind of stuff okay that's I

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usually do that on your the doctor ring

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a bell alarm just in case ya you know

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geologic podcast is you bring this world

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of the artist in his journey through the

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world with the skepticism with

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everything that goes on and every week I

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bath having listened to it on a Sunday

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because it totally right Thursday

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potential Thursday yeah because I don't

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work fridays so my Thursday afternoon is

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other people's fridays and I Drive for

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sydney and i'll just get there and i'm

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and have a drink am I going to go see

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you girl what am I going to do and that

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is my favorite day because there's three

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days of possibilities ahead and I have

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no idea again getting back to Tish

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rating her that's it's like this quantum

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weekend that you haven't done it yet and

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you have an oceans of option and ocean

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of options hmm and that is the most sort

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of attractive you know it's like when

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the meal first arrives before the bite

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that's the best part you know or even

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i've literally come close to ordering

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food and then not eating it just because

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like the thrill it's it's all downhill

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beautifully and so well prepared you

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really even wants to ruin these art

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pieces exactly I'm sashimi or whatever

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yeah and with your own podcast abstruse

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contradict stephen fry as the song goes

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having your own opinion page or podcast

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and fall into the trap of thinking that

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your opinion weighs more than other

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people's is that something you're aware

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of sometimes Oh completely I would hope

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that that whenever I do give an opinion

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it's always with a caveat I'm like you

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could be right to be wrong this is what

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yeah by the way Prometheus right at

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between you and the skeptics guide to

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the universe as if stuff like I saw the

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room there I'm never gonna go see that

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film now but you have to see it but you

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have to spend as little money as

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possible on it so whether it comes on TV

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or whatever rental system you guys have

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or whatever system of barter you guys

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have I'm not sure but yes see it and do

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the do the mystery science theater thing

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where you just sort of yell at the

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actually quite enjoyable but but going

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of it being oh I don't know a ridah Lee

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talking about on your podcast so can you

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moment yeah and it wasn't not jinxing it

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that everyone says that everyone has an

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idea for a show and I would I would love

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to just sort of have a product that you

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know this is where it is this is done

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this has happened or it hasn't happened

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or whatever this was the experience that

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I had and so it a little bit advice now

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I've been involved in hundred or so

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pilots in my life

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also been involved in a pilot that got

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me a national breakfast show on radio

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I've also been involved in part of the

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got me my own national complete creative

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control radio other television show on a

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them delete up network so yes sometimes

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they do happen and when they do happen

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you think you're going to be jumping

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around like joy but it's so surreal you

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can't believe it when they said to me

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would you like to host a triple j

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breakfast show i actually said to them

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I'll have to think about it and I

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started to leave the room and I thought

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what are you doing they just want would

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you like to post an ash I said no of

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course I'll beat when you over to start

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exactly so it is a such a surreal moment

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so the pain you have in all this like

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worrying about it when you actually get

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it you don't get the opposite

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unfortunately but when you get it it's

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just amazing yeah I'm sure I mean to me

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being here tim is a level of that was

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very surreal are you sure you want me to

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do this are you're okay with this has

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been voted on by someone I mean there's

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no blackmail involved like this is okay

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I'm not being punked right yeah i'm

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waiting for Ashton to pop out from

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behind James Randy's beard at some point

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you know and and so yes like I

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constantly have that which I think a

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certain level is healthy another level

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it's not healthy I mean a lot of my

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family and friends are often sort of say

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like look you are you have a skill set

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you were there for a reason you

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obviously are okay at it accept it you

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know like go with it like the humility

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thing is good but there's a point where

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it can kind of start to weigh you down I

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would much rather err in that direction

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than in the other of this is owed to me

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or why am I not able it is also the

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worry about you maybe develop full

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humanity accidentally because she just

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really so oh gee and then you ask your

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people ampere CMS I come across stop it

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already I know yeah I mean it's a

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perfect example of the during the SGU

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the skeptics guide show today Steve

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novella had this idea of we want you to

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be a guest on the show but let's do a

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thing where you kind of keep

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interrupting us and you want to sort of

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sneak into the show and we keep saying

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no keep saying no until finally you

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actually invade one of the video pieces

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that we've done where it seems that

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we've pre filmed this with dr. r HTML

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people and and you know you're you're

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wanting to

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sneak into the show is so great you can

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actually traverse space and time and

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video and great idea funny bit and my

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concern was that that is my constant

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state of mind that I worry I'm coming

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across that way and I said Steve you've

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really mind into something which is very

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sort of deep Henry Lee where the people

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to goe such a tripod exactly exactly

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like here he goes again okay we got it

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you know you don't have enough stage

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time what's what's it you Olga tar you

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brought a guitar George prob brought a

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guitar somewhere oh great wow what are

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the odds of that you know which to me is

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just this terror idea of look at me look

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at me look at me I don't want to come

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across away so I said Steve like this

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this is him and he said you know he

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couldn't fathom that that was a concern

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of mine you know as didn't know no one

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else on the show was just like we talked

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about stop I think this is somewhere

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where what you do intersects with the

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world of the skeptics where where arts

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into intersects with sciences to a

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certain extent because someone who'd

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done a PhD wouldn't really be all that

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reticent about telling people at a

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conference what they did really would

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they okay it's just about the pilot um

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it really interested in hearing about it

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and can you tell us much about it was it

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strange Road was at the name of it the

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name of the potential name is strange

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roads and it's this sort of it's morphed

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over time I mean initially I was

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contacted because I was local and looked

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interesting producer out of New York

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wanted a skeptic to balance out a show

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he was putting together and see that's

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how random and its people to like look

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anyone who knows George and likes his

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work so of course he'd be the guy but

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not if i'm known as George's work and

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there's one item in your life in the

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Venn diagram is intersected with the

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producer and that's how your name but in

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front of him right so you throw you know

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as many potential targets out whether

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it's doing 250 podcasts or appearing on

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other programs or doing articles or blog

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posts are doing you know pictures photos

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whatever and you sort of make a large

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wall that can be hit by the spitball of

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this random producers looking for you

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know certain age a certain certain

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disposition certain look and it's

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skeptic background okay everyone he sort

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of found or said that he would find

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seemed boring or seemed older or

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whatever for his needs for what he was

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looking for so it was a random phone

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call we met and I

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he seemed to think i was good on camera

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I feel comfortable camera which is one

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another weird psychological thing that

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I'm more comfortable you know on stage

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and on camera once it's rolling then I

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am in the rest of my life you know which

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is again that sort of center of

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attention okay I'm supposed to be the

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center of attention when I'm on stage so

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I can relax and do the thing that I want

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to do as opposed to am i overstepping my

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bounds at this party by having my guitar

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with me you know I I understand that and

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I'll try and get that into in defector

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for someone who maybe hasn't been in

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front of the camera or been on stage

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because it's hard one to explain if you

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haven't done it regularly um its

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strength and how did strange roads go it

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was a great sec there that's a boy how

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did it go how did it feel for you can

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you say too much about it it from that

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initial thing interested me in being a

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skeptic amongst a larger cast it got

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window down to just me which was going

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to be an adventure show where I kind of

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go around and look at you know UFO

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conventions and you know the opposite of

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what Tam is so shiatsu conventions and

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sort of talk about stuff and be

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skeptical about it it went from being

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that too what if we had it's more like a

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desk show so it's more like Bill Maher

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more like Jon Stewart Jon Stewart meets

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skepticism is the idea half hour 60

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minute we're not sure over the format

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but people come in monologue I we show a

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video piece of me going to whatever UFO

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convention and then we bring on a person

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who believes in UFOs and I talk to them

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we have a lil bit of debate we bring up

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an astrophysicist who talks about the

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unlikelihood of there being UFOs and

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then we all sort of chat and and wrap it

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up my whole thing was to make it

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approachable and heated but not

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confrontational hmm look this is what

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we're trying to do with the duty just

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believe it show too because you want to

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bring in both sides you want to be

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respectful to both sides and you want

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people to come away from the show

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understanding both sides and making

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their decision from what was presented

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to them right while never while never

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backing down and being wishy-washy so

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that if I don't agree with something or

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don't or think someone is being you know

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unfair or unrealistic or is being

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untruthful there's a comfort

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saying well you know that's not how that

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works that's not how that concept works

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that you're describing but still having

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it be as if you're at a cocktail party

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where you wouldn't you know point your

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finger in someone's face and you

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wouldn't be a lousy host or a lousy

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guest in someone's house the the nicest

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thing that happened over the taping

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citizen it being that the pilot was sort

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of this first attempt at doing the desk

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show that the Jon Stewart type show half

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the audience were skeptics half were

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believers which was produced as it on

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purpose to sort of just see what the

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vibe was like and my opening monologue

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was about atheism and you could sort of

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you could feel half the crowd sort of

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crop folded their hands you know across

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their chest and sort of were like okay

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but slowly I think throughout the course

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of the program the taping I kind of not

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won them over but showed that we can

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have a huge disagreement on that level

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but we can still completely have a

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conversation and my damn of the show

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everybody was laughing all who left the

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taping had a positive experience said

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they would want to sort of talk to me

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some more we're curious to get my

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opinion on ABC and D that's the other

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fast anything is that someone who

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believes in the craziest of things is a

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one hundred percent skeptic on something

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else mmm you know hundreds an atheist on

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something else whatever that other thing

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is and will say I can't believe people

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believe in X I believe in Y and I will

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defend why and I'll go x and y are both

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badi I don't understand how you do

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either I love that part and I want to

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mind that that part of everyone's brain

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that says yeah you know astrology is

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nuts but I'm Catholic not you don't even

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like that love but yeah but obviously

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water to wine and walking out you know

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you know resurrected sure okay

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transubstantiation of course that's real

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worse of course you know we're all one

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you know atheists are just one extra god

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i'm away from i believe in one less god

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that's the cliched thing than anyone

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than any any believer does because most

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you know people of faith don't believe

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in Zeus or don't believe in myth race or

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don't believe in thor you know and yet

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they'll believe in whatever they do so

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the vast majority of the options

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available they don't believe in take

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that final little step you know and that

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to me is interesting and to be able to

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show that to people and have it sort of

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reflect and say you don't believe all

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these things why don't you believe all

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those things what are the what are the

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ideas or what's the rationale for not

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believing in astrology blah blah blah

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blah now can you point that back at the

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things you do believe in you know is it

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possible I I think that's so curious and

534
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interesting and much better than you're

535
00:19:59,570 --> 00:19:56,520
an idiot you know or you or that stuff

536
00:20:01,400 --> 00:19:59,580
you believe is is is is and and

537
00:20:02,510 --> 00:20:01,410
you're stupid for believing it or I

538
00:20:04,580 --> 00:20:02,520
don't even want to talk to you whatever

539
00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:04,590
I think that's it's just to me

540
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:05,490
personally a more interesting

541
00:20:09,740 --> 00:20:08,010
conversation and and and the guests I

542
00:20:11,570 --> 00:20:09,750
had we had a Chandler and we had a

543
00:20:14,060 --> 00:20:11,580
person that does you no runs websites

544
00:20:17,450 --> 00:20:14,070
for for all kinds of just complete woo

545
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:17,460
stuff and they said they were very

546
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:18,930
comfortable and they really appreciated

547
00:20:24,740 --> 00:20:22,290
that the environment was one where they

548
00:20:26,540 --> 00:20:24,750
would come back they would tell their

549
00:20:27,740 --> 00:20:26,550
friends who were full of whoo that this

550
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:27,750
was a nice environment it was an

551
00:20:31,220 --> 00:20:29,490
interesting conversation we're not going

552
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:31,230
to convince each other in that moment

553
00:20:34,850 --> 00:20:32,400
you know we're not going to meet each

554
00:20:36,770 --> 00:20:34,860
other either way but that it was a it

555
00:20:38,270 --> 00:20:36,780
was a pleasant setting and that to me

556
00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:38,280
that's was a success so if nothing else

557
00:20:43,850 --> 00:20:40,710
comes of it like just to show that one

558
00:20:47,420 --> 00:20:43,860
channeler that I man I'm a skeptic

559
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:47,430
hardcore science logic guy but I'm not

560
00:20:50,660 --> 00:20:49,170
surly I'm not you know I can I'm

561
00:20:53,150 --> 00:20:50,670
approachable hopefully approachable and

562
00:20:55,460 --> 00:20:53,160
somewhat pleasant and hospitable you

563
00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:55,470
know in George on a personal level

564
00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:57,090
because I've taken a lot of your time he

565
00:20:59,480 --> 00:20:58,410
and I really appreciate it now you've

566
00:21:01,400 --> 00:20:59,490
been working hard enough here without

567
00:21:04,340 --> 00:21:01,410
Evan some going to bed they fitted suit

568
00:21:05,810 --> 00:21:04,350
and a William Shatner time oh oh that's

569
00:21:07,490 --> 00:21:05,820
that deserves that yes that's pretty

570
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:07,500
damn good there yeah okay coming along

571
00:21:10,670 --> 00:21:09,090
wasting more of your time there i mean

572
00:21:15,050 --> 00:21:10,680
you know you're more drunks to talk to

573
00:21:16,670 --> 00:21:15,060
at a bar what so this show might happen

574
00:21:18,980 --> 00:21:16,680
the TV show might happen within a

575
00:21:21,050 --> 00:21:18,990
six-month time frame would you like to

576
00:21:22,730 --> 00:21:21,060
take the podcasting to another level in

577
00:21:24,860 --> 00:21:22,740
fact i don't know why a radio station

578
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:24,870
hasn't snapped you up now another would

579
00:21:28,550 --> 00:21:27,090
limit your touring but um and you would

580
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:28,560
be doing things on their terms to a

581
00:21:33,470 --> 00:21:31,440
certain extent I'm but a half hours half

582
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:33,480
our national syndicated radio show would

583
00:21:37,310 --> 00:21:35,250
certainly not be without in the richer

584
00:21:38,810 --> 00:21:37,320
yeah and so why hasn't this happened to

585
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:38,820
me it seems odd I mean I'm in a land

586
00:21:42,140 --> 00:21:40,410
where there's middlemen that will sell

587
00:21:44,780 --> 00:21:42,150
anybody to anything why can't someone

588
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,790
utils so someone to someone maybe that's

589
00:21:47,810 --> 00:21:46,320
maybe that's what will happen after the

590
00:21:49,970 --> 00:21:47,820
I mean success of two and a half men

591
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:49,980
really I'm here I know I know I know I i

592
00:21:55,340 --> 00:21:53,250
I'm not sure and it's a weird it's a

593
00:21:57,740 --> 00:21:55,350
weird wish you know that Chinese saying

594
00:22:01,159 --> 00:21:57,750
of Leah be careful what you wish for

595
00:22:03,019 --> 00:22:01,169
because it might come true I my dad

596
00:22:04,759 --> 00:22:03,029
keeps telling me this and putting it to

597
00:22:07,399 --> 00:22:04,769
me and he used the example of Dave

598
00:22:10,700 --> 00:22:07,409
Chappelle or if you're familiar with I'm

599
00:22:12,139 --> 00:22:10,710
that that look very intense comedy show

600
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:12,149
and I think he said it just got too much

601
00:22:15,259 --> 00:22:13,440
from any blew out in the second season

602
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:15,269
did niall something he never even he

603
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:17,250
filmed some interstitial bits for the

604
00:22:23,710 --> 00:22:20,730
second season was in essence once you

605
00:22:26,269 --> 00:22:23,720
count sort of all the ancillary money

606
00:22:29,090 --> 00:22:26,279
offered the equivalent of 50 million

607
00:22:32,539 --> 00:22:29,100
dollars to work and he walked away

608
00:22:36,350 --> 00:22:32,549
because he realized that he wasn't doing

609
00:22:38,299 --> 00:22:36,360
what he wanted to he was going to be

610
00:22:40,369 --> 00:22:38,309
responsible when someone gives you a

611
00:22:43,820 --> 00:22:40,379
check for fifty million dollars that

612
00:22:46,369 --> 00:22:43,830
doesn't come without a phone books worth

613
00:22:48,830 --> 00:22:46,379
of responsibilities and caveats and and

614
00:22:51,649 --> 00:22:48,840
reasons and all kinds of things and he

615
00:22:55,730 --> 00:22:51,659
he said I'm walking away and my dad has

616
00:22:59,119 --> 00:22:55,740
told me he's like you you're not famous

617
00:23:00,919 --> 00:22:59,129
you're not you know nationally

618
00:23:03,769 --> 00:23:00,929
successful you're not successful on a

619
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:03,779
large scale you have a very small very

620
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:05,970
loyal but very small following but you

621
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:08,610
are doing exactly what you want to do my

622
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:12,240
records my albums sound exactly the way

623
00:23:16,159 --> 00:23:14,610
I want them to the podcast sounds

624
00:23:17,690 --> 00:23:16,169
exactly the way it is it's the length i

625
00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:17,700
want it to be if i want to do it for a

626
00:23:20,690 --> 00:23:18,840
week i can do if i want to do a two-hour

627
00:23:22,009 --> 00:23:20,700
show if i want to do an entire show

628
00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:22,019
that's just dark side of the moon on

629
00:23:26,659 --> 00:23:25,049
piano i can do it and they don't just

630
00:23:28,580 --> 00:23:26,669
break into briefly because many people

631
00:23:30,289 --> 00:23:28,590
don't get the chance to do that in their

632
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:30,299
life as the same as not get up on stage

633
00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:32,850
I've had a brief chance while here at

634
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:34,529
tam thanks to the people that have put

635
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:36,330
in to listen to skeptics own to come

636
00:23:39,769 --> 00:23:38,159
here and report on this for people I've

637
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:39,779
spoken to adam curry who works on the de

638
00:23:42,619 --> 00:23:41,370
no agenda show which would could be far

639
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:42,629
away from what many skeptics would

640
00:23:46,129 --> 00:23:44,610
consider the point of view him and John

641
00:23:48,289 --> 00:23:46,139
said of Iraq wake up in the morning and

642
00:23:50,090 --> 00:23:48,299
the rent is paid by the people who

643
00:23:52,639 --> 00:23:50,100
deliberately give their money to their

644
00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:52,649
podcast and you're living a life because

645
00:23:57,259 --> 00:23:55,049
of what you do and it's paid for by

646
00:23:59,389 --> 00:23:57,269
others that like what you do how can you

647
00:23:59,930 --> 00:23:59,399
describe to anyone who doesn't do that

648
00:24:03,590 --> 00:23:59,940
how that

649
00:24:06,499 --> 00:24:03,600
fails it's it's it's to me that is the

650
00:24:10,669 --> 00:24:06,509
ultimate success because ultimately any

651
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:10,679
any kind of national success TV success

652
00:24:16,669 --> 00:24:13,970
rate of success record sales success is

653
00:24:19,460 --> 00:24:16,679
transitional because you can never be at

654
00:24:21,230 --> 00:24:19,470
a known one is at the top I mean they're

655
00:24:23,570 --> 00:24:21,240
even the rolling stones have been doing

656
00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:23,580
in 50 years you know that how many of

657
00:24:27,049 --> 00:24:25,289
them are there there's them I mean

658
00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:27,059
that's it you know that can still do it

659
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:28,980
toward that will get them net them two

660
00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:29,970
hundred million dollars but everything

661
00:24:39,289 --> 00:24:34,370
so odds are you know even if you are

662
00:24:42,740 --> 00:24:39,299
hugely successful that will end now what

663
00:24:44,659 --> 00:24:42,750
are you willing to pay for that have you

664
00:24:46,460 --> 00:24:44,669
sold that I don't believe in selling out

665
00:24:48,379 --> 00:24:46,470
I don't think that that exists i mean i

666
00:24:50,930 --> 00:24:48,389
think if there was a formula it would be

667
00:24:52,999 --> 00:24:50,940
mind to its to its death you know if

668
00:24:54,799 --> 00:24:53,009
there was a way to sell out this is

669
00:24:57,049 --> 00:24:54,809
selling out i think is coincidental and

670
00:24:59,779 --> 00:24:57,059
and and and everyone on some level is

671
00:25:02,600 --> 00:24:59,789
trying to sell out to me to be able to

672
00:25:05,470 --> 00:25:02,610
do exactly what i want to do and not

673
00:25:08,869 --> 00:25:05,480
have to worry that i've modified my

674
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:08,879
artistic endeavors and you can live in

675
00:25:13,730 --> 00:25:11,360
an okay place and you can pay food

676
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:13,740
absolutely and i can have a show that

677
00:25:18,409 --> 00:25:17,129
i'll record that you know or an album

678
00:25:20,659 --> 00:25:18,419
that i'll record that two years later

679
00:25:22,190 --> 00:25:20,669
five years later someone will approach

680
00:25:26,690 --> 00:25:22,200
them a stranger will approach to me you

681
00:25:28,999 --> 00:25:26,700
know in vegas and say episode 90 from

682
00:25:31,090 --> 00:25:29,009
four years ago you did this sketch that

683
00:25:33,379 --> 00:25:31,100
was that I thought it was so funny or

684
00:25:35,779 --> 00:25:33,389
you did a show about losing your friend

685
00:25:37,129 --> 00:25:35,789
you know and and the grief you went

686
00:25:40,399 --> 00:25:37,139
through and that helped me get through

687
00:25:44,060 --> 00:25:40,409
something that I went through it's it's

688
00:25:45,470 --> 00:25:44,070
priceless it's priceless and I I have to

689
00:25:46,999 --> 00:25:45,480
remind myself of that sometimes because

690
00:25:48,919 --> 00:25:47,009
it's very insular I mean you know you

691
00:25:51,649 --> 00:25:48,929
sit and you record you sit with a

692
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:51,659
microphone on your own and a lot of the

693
00:25:54,980 --> 00:25:53,970
feedback doesn't come instantly or

694
00:25:57,049 --> 00:25:54,990
doesn't even come eventually

695
00:25:59,810 --> 00:25:57,059
interestingly enough about the white

696
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:59,820
podcasts are listened to sometimes in

697
00:26:03,169 --> 00:26:01,200
the car but it's normally a one-on-one

698
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:03,179
basis which is why you tend to get

699
00:26:06,499 --> 00:26:04,799
people thinking they own you more

700
00:26:08,269 --> 00:26:06,509
because you're talking directly to them

701
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:08,279
into those earbuds there's a slight lift

702
00:26:12,049 --> 00:26:10,320
dynamic even from radio broadcast radio

703
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:12,059
absolutely i call it a one way

704
00:26:15,740 --> 00:26:13,410
friendship that

705
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:15,750
I'm fine with because if someone is

706
00:26:22,550 --> 00:26:18,330
listening to my show whatever 45 minutes

707
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:22,560
a week 9 an hour a week they have

708
00:26:25,970 --> 00:26:24,210
decided that is what they're putting

709
00:26:27,530 --> 00:26:25,980
into the friendship even though I don't

710
00:26:29,540 --> 00:26:27,540
know them and I can't hear what they're

711
00:26:31,460 --> 00:26:29,550
saying back to the show for example I've

712
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:31,470
met you twice was the second time of min

713
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:33,600
I met you at am Australia and yeah and I

714
00:26:36,170 --> 00:26:35,010
feel I know you quite well to listen to

715
00:26:37,670 --> 00:26:36,180
the podcast and from a couple of emails

716
00:26:39,950 --> 00:26:37,680
back and forth and a skype conversation

717
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:39,960
over two year period yeah that I just

718
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:42,210
brought it up last night when I started

719
00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:43,410
coming in I said I said there's a

720
00:26:46,910 --> 00:26:45,030
perfect example of how tremendous this

721
00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:46,920
community is number one or events like

722
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:50,820
Tamar or how wonderful you know the the

723
00:26:57,290 --> 00:26:53,520
virtual world can be that you know we

724
00:26:59,210 --> 00:26:57,300
met two years ago for five hours eight

725
00:27:00,500 --> 00:26:59,220
hours total maybe I mean that's being

726
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:00,510
generous in terms of the time we spent

727
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:02,850
together 11 our skype conversation I

728
00:27:07,220 --> 00:27:05,490
know and yet when we saw each other big

729
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:07,230
bear hug it was great it was like you

730
00:27:11,170 --> 00:27:09,330
know wow here we go and we continue we

731
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:11,180
pick up where we stopped and we continue

732
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:13,290
not that I want this to happen but five

733
00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:14,880
years would go by and I think if we

734
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:16,110
didn't see each other with the

735
00:27:19,310 --> 00:27:17,490
occasional email and listen to the show

736
00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:19,320
and ever rough idea where things were

737
00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:20,910
absolutely we'd see each other and

738
00:27:29,390 --> 00:27:23,310
continue the conversation I love that I

739
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:29,400
love that my best friend is Lao since I

740
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:30,480
do the show when he listens to it very

741
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:32,810
generously doesn't call me as often

742
00:27:39,260 --> 00:27:37,440
because he knows what I'm up to so it's

743
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:39,270
not that he's not interested or once

744
00:27:44,180 --> 00:27:42,090
doesn't want to communicate he has this

745
00:27:46,730 --> 00:27:44,190
sort of people on my life and knows what

746
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:46,740
I'm up to so I'll call him and you know

747
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:48,000
and I'll say oh yeah and then I got the

748
00:27:51,890 --> 00:27:49,440
guy I got to go to the museum yeah i

749
00:27:53,450 --> 00:27:51,900
know i heard of the show you know a lot

750
00:27:56,900 --> 00:27:53,460
of people haven't quite get the neck yet

751
00:27:58,550 --> 00:27:56,910
of facebook being their world that they

752
00:28:00,320 --> 00:27:58,560
want to present most people present

753
00:28:02,090 --> 00:28:00,330
everything on it like it's an online on

754
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:02,100
my online diary used to go to go to a

755
00:28:04,670 --> 00:28:03,330
girl's place when you're younger and

756
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:04,680
you'd be sitting in a bedroom and should

757
00:28:07,580 --> 00:28:06,090
get a book of poetry out from under the

758
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:07,590
bed and you'd have to listen to that

759
00:28:10,490 --> 00:28:09,330
poetry for various reason is that i'm

760
00:28:12,620 --> 00:28:10,500
sure you know what i'm talking about

761
00:28:14,900 --> 00:28:12,630
listeners um and now that happens online

762
00:28:17,540 --> 00:28:14,910
now with facebook or with blogs and

763
00:28:19,370 --> 00:28:17,550
things and people just over share where

764
00:28:21,380 --> 00:28:19,380
people haven't quite got worked out what

765
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:21,390
to share what not to share I think

766
00:28:24,530 --> 00:28:22,770
that's an artist that maybe people that

767
00:28:24,970 --> 00:28:24,540
perform like us kind of understand that

768
00:28:26,380 --> 00:28:24,980
you

769
00:28:28,090 --> 00:28:26,390
creating a reality on Facebook that

770
00:28:30,490 --> 00:28:28,100
isn't supposed to be reality we're

771
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:30,500
normal where people who don't perform

772
00:28:33,820 --> 00:28:32,570
think that oh yeah I've gotta tell

773
00:28:37,030 --> 00:28:33,830
everything on there because that's what

774
00:28:40,690 --> 00:28:37,040
it is yeah the editor is sometimes the

775
00:28:42,610 --> 00:28:40,700
most important part of any artist if not

776
00:28:44,350 --> 00:28:42,620
the most important part and you know

777
00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:44,360
that you whatever that art is I mean I

778
00:28:48,460 --> 00:28:45,710
talked about doing exactly the show I

779
00:28:49,419 --> 00:28:48,470
want to do I mean exactly they should I

780
00:28:50,980 --> 00:28:49,429
want to do would be just talking about

781
00:28:53,470 --> 00:28:50,990
Frank Zappa for five hours every show

782
00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:53,480
now that that would be yeah that'll be

783
00:28:56,169 --> 00:28:54,710
great or talking about yes you're

784
00:28:58,390 --> 00:28:56,179
talking about you know whatever totally

785
00:28:59,950 --> 00:28:58,400
yeah and and then I get to come here and

786
00:29:01,690 --> 00:28:59,960
I get that I get to introduce James

787
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:01,700
Randi I get to talk with pen or i get i

788
00:29:06,820 --> 00:29:04,490
get to talk to you know Carol tavros and

789
00:29:09,250 --> 00:29:06,830
see her do this amazing talk afterwards

790
00:29:11,230 --> 00:29:09,260
say that was that was wonderful that was

791
00:29:13,180 --> 00:29:11,240
exactly what a tam talk needs to be and

792
00:29:16,270 --> 00:29:13,190
she would go really are you sure like

793
00:29:18,490 --> 00:29:16,280
and she's relying on my editor my sense

794
00:29:21,010 --> 00:29:18,500
of what an hour-long talk at tam can be

795
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:21,020
to say no it you knocked out of the park

796
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:22,370
that's exactly what we need you know

797
00:29:26,530 --> 00:29:25,010
likes you huh sobs wonderful one surreal

798
00:29:30,130 --> 00:29:26,540
it's just surreal moment after she real

799
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:30,140
moment and I should finish now and look

800
00:29:33,220 --> 00:29:32,000
um I'd like you to have it speak

801
00:29:36,010 --> 00:29:33,230
directly to the people that have put in

802
00:29:37,090 --> 00:29:36,020
to send me here and just have a brief

803
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:37,100
chat about what you think of the

804
00:29:40,270 --> 00:29:38,480
Australian skeptic movement the skeptic

805
00:29:41,950 --> 00:29:40,280
zone that kind of thing in a nutshell

806
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:41,960
because they paid to get me here and

807
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:43,520
like could you let them know I have been

808
00:29:49,539 --> 00:29:46,610
working hard he Maynard has been with a

809
00:29:50,980 --> 00:29:49,549
microphone grafted to his arm the entire

810
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:50,990
the entire time I've seen him yeah

811
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:52,370
working on various actually this is

812
00:29:56,500 --> 00:29:54,890
actually interviewed number 71 okay

813
00:29:58,990 --> 00:29:56,510
we're not where I guess just at the

814
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halfway point so so we r we r 71

815
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:01,130
interviews in so there's going to be 150

816
00:30:09,820 --> 00:30:05,210
of these for you fine folks I with a

817
00:30:13,780 --> 00:30:09,830
with an absolute dingo eatin sense of

818
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:13,790
joy revel in the fact that the number

819
00:30:18,940 --> 00:30:16,730
two country of my downloads is Australia

820
00:30:20,770 --> 00:30:18,950
it's the US Australia and then England

821
00:30:22,419 --> 00:30:20,780
which obviously r for language purposes

822
00:30:24,970 --> 00:30:22,429
makes sense but the fact that you guys

823
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:24,980
beat out great britain i just love it I

824
00:30:31,539 --> 00:30:29,200
love it I have the the most fond

825
00:30:34,570 --> 00:30:31,549
beautiful memories of my time in

826
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:34,580
Australia the conference in Sydney

827
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:37,929
itself and then going to Melbourne and

828
00:30:44,110 --> 00:30:42,320
Canberra and and cans and Adelaide and

829
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:44,120
as well as hopping over New Zealand and

830
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:48,290
doing two cities over there wonderful

831
00:30:53,230 --> 00:30:51,530
people wonderful time so enthusiastic

832
00:30:55,630 --> 00:30:53,240
and the kind of people that would

833
00:30:57,549 --> 00:30:55,640
collect money to send a loony like you

834
00:31:00,490 --> 00:30:57,559
over here you know how can I not love

835
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:00,500
that how many not respect taxes and what

836
00:31:03,789 --> 00:31:02,570
difference do we have in skepticism to

837
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:03,799
the American why I last lot of the

838
00:31:06,820 --> 00:31:05,450
Americans in what way is our approach

839
00:31:09,130 --> 00:31:06,830
different all the way we look at things

840
00:31:11,230 --> 00:31:09,140
is can you put that into words oh that's

841
00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:11,240
interesting that's a great question is

842
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:17,809
it is it oh boy Oshawott Aviv maybe that

843
00:31:22,690 --> 00:31:19,970
American skepticism doesn't have its I

844
00:31:24,580 --> 00:31:22,700
think it's less nerdy I'm a certain

845
00:31:26,380 --> 00:31:24,590
larrikin ism certain sense of humor that

846
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:26,390
we had think so i think there's that

847
00:31:30,490 --> 00:31:29,120
there's a vibrancy and a joy i think

848
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:30,500
there and i hope that's not insulting

849
00:31:35,610 --> 00:31:32,480
and i mean that with with just complete

850
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:35,620
fondness that there is a certain

851
00:31:41,649 --> 00:31:39,440
excitement of there are other people on

852
00:31:43,390 --> 00:31:41,659
the planet that feel this way to you

853
00:31:45,310 --> 00:31:43,400
know which which we have as a movement

854
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:45,320
but i think you guys really have that

855
00:31:49,270 --> 00:31:47,210
and that that was that feeling in sydney

856
00:31:51,130 --> 00:31:49,280
of walking in you know and hearing that

857
00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:51,140
first round of applause for Randy when

858
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:54,110
the 680 people that were there just were

859
00:31:58,510 --> 00:31:56,330
through applause saying thank you for

860
00:32:02,110 --> 00:31:58,520
coming you know thank you for flying the

861
00:32:04,299 --> 00:32:02,120
14 hours you 80 year old man you uh it

862
00:32:06,190 --> 00:32:04,309
was it was overwhelming the the sense of

863
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:06,200
appreciation and I think that kind of

864
00:32:10,210 --> 00:32:08,000
registers not only to the sense of

865
00:32:13,090 --> 00:32:10,220
appreciation of individuals but to the

866
00:32:15,460 --> 00:32:13,100
sense of the appreciation of the facts

867
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:15,470
the sensor appreciation of how you can

868
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:16,880
be skeptical and how things actually

869
00:32:21,490 --> 00:32:19,130
work so I think I think you guys all

870
00:32:23,860 --> 00:32:21,500
sort of share that and thats very

871
00:32:25,330 --> 00:32:23,870
inspiring very inspiring look I should

872
00:32:26,980 --> 00:32:25,340
let you go you need to have a good rest

873
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:26,990
after the hard day you've had and thank

874
00:32:30,190 --> 00:32:28,490
you for being a great to host at am here

875
00:32:31,810 --> 00:32:30,200
and we'd love to see you in our country

876
00:32:34,450 --> 00:32:31,820
again sometime and maybe we'll even make

877
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:34,460
it back here next year awesome I I have

878
00:32:37,289 --> 00:32:36,290
to come back because I feel like I only

879
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:37,299
saw you know

880
00:32:42,659 --> 00:32:41,289
a skosh of eight ave touch thank you and

881
00:32:45,330 --> 00:32:42,669
where can people find you and look for

882
00:32:46,979 --> 00:32:45,340
you if you would invention the geologic

883
00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:46,989
universe you can just go to George Rob

884
00:32:53,180 --> 00:32:50,169
calm h Rab is the way you spell my last

885
00:32:55,710 --> 00:32:53,190
name if you just google that the first

886
00:32:57,779 --> 00:32:55,720
146,000 things are me so it's it's a

887
00:33:00,720 --> 00:32:57,789
unique enough thing but from there you

888
00:33:02,580 --> 00:33:00,730
can get my podcast itunes all my albums

889
00:33:03,899 --> 00:33:02,590
that the little book that i wrote and

890
00:33:05,220 --> 00:33:03,909
all kinds of youtube stuff and whatever

891
00:33:07,499 --> 00:33:05,230
so yeah in the other George arrived

892
00:33:09,419 --> 00:33:07,509
after that is a conveyancing lawyer from

893
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:09,429
Detroit and he's really pissed off early

894
00:33:12,629 --> 00:33:10,960
cleaner and yeah yeah he keeps trying to

895
00:33:33,390 --> 00:33:12,639
get his web hits it's just not happening

896
00:33:37,810 --> 00:33:35,740
astronomy cast who takes a fact space

897
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:37,820
journey through the cosmos as it offers

898
00:33:42,220 --> 00:33:39,530
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899
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:42,230
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900
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:45,170
to cosmology hosted by Fraser Cain of

901
00:33:48,430 --> 00:33:47,450
Universe Today and myself dr. Pamela

902
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:48,440
gave southern illinois university

903
00:33:52,990 --> 00:33:51,110
edwardsville this show brings the

904
00:33:55,420 --> 00:33:53,000
questions of an avid astronomy lover

905
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:55,430
directly to an astronomer together

906
00:33:59,050 --> 00:33:57,530
Fraser and I explore what is known and

907
00:34:01,810 --> 00:33:59,060
being discovered about the universe

908
00:34:03,910 --> 00:34:01,820
around us join us each week as we take a

909
00:34:15,150 --> 00:34:03,920
fact space journey through the cosmos at

910
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:18,450
on august eleventh saturday august

911
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:21,490
eleventh in canberra in the Australian

912
00:34:26,780 --> 00:34:24,250
Capital Territory the Canberra skeptics

913
00:34:29,820 --> 00:34:26,790
are hosting a lecture challenging

914
00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:29,830
pseudoscience in the most scientific of

915
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:33,540
all ages mrs. a talk by professor john

916
00:34:38,670 --> 00:34:37,090
dwyer a good friend of the skeptical

917
00:34:41,490 --> 00:34:38,680
movement and one of the members of

918
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:41,500
friends of science and medicine now this

919
00:34:48,540 --> 00:34:45,280
is a free talk a free event and it's

920
00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:48,550
going to be held at the CSIRO Discovery

921
00:34:54,510 --> 00:34:51,250
Center clue DS ross street in acton in

922
00:34:59,150 --> 00:34:54,520
the a.c.t for more information about

923
00:35:03,480 --> 00:34:59,160
this interesting talk visit w WM bruh

924
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:03,490
skeptics org dot a you anybody in the

925
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:05,890
area I could certainly recommend going

926
00:35:28,849 --> 00:35:26,720
another great day here at tam and i

927
00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:28,859
found michael cruz from what an

928
00:35:35,540 --> 00:35:32,790
interesting website you have bad science

929
00:35:37,790 --> 00:35:35,550
watch what's that all about well in

930
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:37,800
canada we've got a new activist group

931
00:35:44,330 --> 00:35:40,410
that we've launched in response to what

932
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:44,340
we felt was a lack of opposition to the

933
00:35:51,260 --> 00:35:49,130
rising belief in alternative medicine in

934
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,270
products and services that have dubious

935
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:53,760
scientific claims behind them and we

936
00:35:58,780 --> 00:35:55,770
felt that in order to really properly

937
00:36:03,040 --> 00:35:58,790
address these we had to develop a new

938
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:03,050
national nonprofit that would actively

939
00:36:10,010 --> 00:36:05,760
pack in opposition to this and get good

940
00:36:14,780 --> 00:36:10,020
science into public policy Wow yes it's

941
00:36:16,609 --> 00:36:14,790
a big big goal yes that's quite a

942
00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:16,619
mouthful that's that's amazing how long

943
00:36:20,660 --> 00:36:18,300
has this been going well we started last

944
00:36:22,099 --> 00:36:20,670
fall and we've been developing it over

945
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:22,109
about six months apparently it's a lot

946
00:36:25,490 --> 00:36:23,130
of work to start your own nonprofit

947
00:36:27,140 --> 00:36:25,500
which we didn't reply oh really yes

948
00:36:29,570 --> 00:36:27,150
that's other shocked it's surprising

949
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:29,580
isn't so we've been working of course

950
00:36:33,530 --> 00:36:31,920
all of us are professionals in our day

951
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:33,540
job so none of us have a lot of time to

952
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,520
spend on a daily basis so it's been

953
00:36:38,540 --> 00:36:37,440
taking a bit of a long slog to go

954
00:36:42,620 --> 00:36:38,550
through the whole process but we finally

955
00:36:47,180 --> 00:36:42,630
launched last Monday which was July the

956
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,190
sixth i believe and we are really

957
00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:49,440
excited but we're going to tackling it's

958
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,710
it's a it's taken us a while to sort of

959
00:36:55,609 --> 00:36:54,240
get the language right to because we're

960
00:36:57,470 --> 00:36:55,619
really really focused on proper

961
00:37:00,490 --> 00:36:57,480
communication and we're trying to get

962
00:37:02,660 --> 00:37:00,500
outside of the normal so skeptical

963
00:37:06,890 --> 00:37:02,670
community to reach the broader community

964
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:06,900
type a few science advocacy as a means

965
00:37:13,820 --> 00:37:09,810
of communicating good science of getting

966
00:37:16,730 --> 00:37:13,830
people used to the idea or supportive of

967
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:16,740
the idea that there are people offering

968
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:19,680
really really dubious products and

969
00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:22,170
services and that it really is a

970
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:23,910
consumer protection issue that it really

971
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:26,250
kind of endangered people's lives

972
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:29,130
prosperity or chill kenya and that that

973
00:37:34,420 --> 00:37:31,040
message i think is going to be

974
00:37:38,410 --> 00:37:34,430
r Ian is able to really sell the idea of

975
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:38,420
good science in public we're in Canada

976
00:37:42,130 --> 00:37:40,250
are you better tasting well I'm voice in

977
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:42,140
Toronto we've got a board directors that

978
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:43,760
is based out of Vancouver and Toronto

979
00:37:47,770 --> 00:37:46,400
we've got members of our steering

980
00:37:50,140 --> 00:37:47,780
committee and Winnipeg and Edmonton so

981
00:37:51,490 --> 00:37:50,150
really is a national you put up yeah it

982
00:37:52,810 --> 00:37:51,500
makes it a challenge to communicate but

983
00:37:55,300 --> 00:37:52,820
we've got like four different time zones

984
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:55,310
across Canada so you know it tends to be

985
00:37:58,750 --> 00:37:57,050
a bit of a struggle to get everybody

986
00:38:00,340 --> 00:37:58,760
together in the same spot but thanks to

987
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:00,350
the Internet have you done have you got

988
00:38:04,210 --> 00:38:02,690
more time zones in the United States we

989
00:38:05,860 --> 00:38:04,220
what we have I thought the only three

990
00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:05,870
here maybe I'm got that Newfoundland as

991
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:07,910
well right we've got that I might have a

992
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:09,650
wrong eastern mountain in Pacific i

993
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:10,880
believe and then we've got new format

994
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:13,250
which is another re so they get kind of

995
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:15,530
left out of the back and we always say

996
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:16,850
as well we've got people in Toronto

997
00:38:21,550 --> 00:38:19,280
Emmett inand in Vancouver we added

998
00:38:23,860 --> 00:38:21,560
somebody from Halifax would be really

999
00:38:26,020 --> 00:38:23,870
difficult to get that kind of four hours

1000
00:38:28,420 --> 00:38:26,030
banning but because the internet because

1001
00:38:30,370 --> 00:38:28,430
of the virtual nature or the the tools

1002
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:30,380
that exist on online we're really able

1003
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:31,490
to communicate and we don't need a

1004
00:38:36,130 --> 00:38:32,960
physical office right now we're able to

1005
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:36,140
really do most of our work through skype

1006
00:38:39,660 --> 00:38:38,090
is rather kind of like well that's more

1007
00:38:41,890 --> 00:38:39,670
and more I'm finding that too of course

1008
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:41,900
just recently I've been involved in

1009
00:38:48,220 --> 00:38:45,200
organizing things helping out the James

1010
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:48,230
Randi people and that's all emails and

1011
00:38:52,900 --> 00:38:50,000
skypes when we can and things like that

1012
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:52,910
so it's better of course if you can all

1013
00:38:56,860 --> 00:38:54,530
be the same place at the same time but

1014
00:38:58,720 --> 00:38:56,870
these days it's not always possible now

1015
00:39:00,850 --> 00:38:58,730
it doesn't one thing that the skeptical

1016
00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:00,860
community has been really successful at

1017
00:39:08,590 --> 00:39:03,710
is web-based activism yeah petitions

1018
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:08,600
writing emails even online conferences

1019
00:39:13,780 --> 00:39:11,090
and and chat rooms and things like that

1020
00:39:17,710 --> 00:39:13,790
what we're trying to do is get people

1021
00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:17,720
outside of the computer to engage in

1022
00:39:24,940 --> 00:39:21,110
more traditional activism

1023
00:39:29,710 --> 00:39:24,950
to to sort of raise the bar as a will in

1024
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:29,720
skeptical activism Canada and this has

1025
00:39:35,980 --> 00:39:31,910
been a bit of a challenge we perceive it

1026
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:35,990
as going to be our biggest kind of

1027
00:39:40,660 --> 00:39:39,440
hurdle to get people to work outside of

1028
00:39:42,370 --> 00:39:40,670
their computers to write letters to

1029
00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:42,380
actually show up and lobby the local

1030
00:39:45,820 --> 00:39:43,910
politicians to actually call them on the

1031
00:39:48,460 --> 00:39:45,830
phone with someone a lot of people do

1032
00:39:50,050 --> 00:39:48,470
but we I think with the proper systems

1033
00:39:52,030 --> 00:39:50,060
in place and proper motivation and the

1034
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:52,040
proper organization and it's a

1035
00:39:55,780 --> 00:39:53,690
professional demeanor that we can really

1036
00:39:58,600 --> 00:39:55,790
inspire people to get involved and to

1037
00:40:00,970 --> 00:39:58,610
make real change one of the things I was

1038
00:40:03,550 --> 00:40:00,980
really struck by this morning at one at

1039
00:40:06,070 --> 00:40:03,560
jamian's was his talk was about this

1040
00:40:07,330 --> 00:40:06,080
idea of not blaming the victim yeah I I

1041
00:40:11,220 --> 00:40:07,340
thought that was a good point it's a

1042
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:11,230
central tenet of our purpose is

1043
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:16,610
compassion yeah and to ensure that the

1044
00:40:21,550 --> 00:40:19,490
targets of our activism are the

1045
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:21,560
regulators and the purveyors of these

1046
00:40:26,170 --> 00:40:24,530
products and very specifically in Canada

1047
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:26,180
especially the the consumer protection

1048
00:40:32,260 --> 00:40:29,450
branch which does which regulates the

1049
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:32,270
claims that you make on the print and

1050
00:40:35,020 --> 00:40:33,890
the newspaper and your business and as

1051
00:40:38,620 --> 00:40:35,030
well as help Canada which is the

1052
00:40:39,790 --> 00:40:38,630
regulatory agency and those two agencies

1053
00:40:42,490 --> 00:40:39,800
into the federal government are going to

1054
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:42,500
be a real long-term focus for us to keep

1055
00:40:46,510 --> 00:40:44,450
them honest to keep them well funded and

1056
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:46,520
to keep them science-based because

1057
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:48,170
that's a real that's a real concern for

1058
00:40:52,990 --> 00:40:50,570
us in Canada it's a bill it's a

1059
00:40:54,850 --> 00:40:53,000
relationship or there's the word folks

1060
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:54,860
all the listeners in Canada or if you

1061
00:40:59,560 --> 00:40:56,480
know somebody friends and family in

1062
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:59,570
Canada put them this way put them onto

1063
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:01,760
the website and that website is again

1064
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:04,130
the web URL sure we're looking at at bad

1065
00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:07,250
science watch CA and please go there and

1066
00:41:10,180 --> 00:41:08,510
click the donate button if you can't we

1067
00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:10,190
have a 30 day campaign going on right

1068
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now to raise our first year of operating

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help canyons live a prosperous

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prosperous life Michael thank you very

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the Canadian public has been poorly

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served by a government which displays

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little respect for objectivity and

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science Canadians are taken advantage of

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through weak consumer protection

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regulations that allow the sale of

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products and services that don't work

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and our media is all too willing to

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report dubious claims without

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examination if it will attract readers

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and sell advertising individual freedom

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of choice is being jeopardized as the

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unscrupulous or misinformed attempt to

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influence our important decisions it's

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time for a change bad science watches a

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new activist organization that will

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challenge the media advertisers and

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politicians when they promote unsound

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signs that can threaten the well-being

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00:42:21,150 --> 00:42:18,460
of Canadians we will provide analysis of

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00:42:23,820 --> 00:42:21,160
dubious scientific claims to you our

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government and the media and campaign

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for policy decisions based on the best

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politicians to enforce and strengthen

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out more at bat science watch see a bad

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science watch important issues sound

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00:43:44,789 --> 00:43:35,920
is kenny chen

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00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:47,410
this is penny chan with a penny for your

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00:43:54,670 --> 00:43:50,890
thoughts and I am here in Las Vegas at

1111
00:43:56,529 --> 00:43:54,680
Tandy amazing meeting 2012 also called

1112
00:44:00,210 --> 00:43:56,539
tam x I guess that's what we're calling

1113
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:00,220
it today I'm gonna interview Susan garba

1114
00:44:05,099 --> 00:44:03,170
keys one of the busiest people in The

1115
00:44:07,029 --> 00:44:05,109
Skeptical movement in my opinion

1116
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:07,039
photographer is the first thing that

1117
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:08,569
comes up to mind because that she always

1118
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:10,609
has a camera in her hands always

1119
00:44:14,859 --> 00:44:13,249
snapping away at every moment which is

1120
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:14,869
good because it means there's a

1121
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:16,490
photographic record of everything that

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00:44:24,130 --> 00:44:18,880
goes on at any event that you go to

1123
00:44:26,799 --> 00:44:24,140
blogger iig member amazing person honey

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00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:26,809
badger what your what what I mostly

1125
00:44:33,039 --> 00:44:28,910
associated with you is a guerrilla

1126
00:44:35,859 --> 00:44:33,049
skepticism on wikipedia I first learned

1127
00:44:37,809 --> 00:44:35,869
about that at a skeptic al last year but

1128
00:44:40,180 --> 00:44:37,819
how long has this been going on Susan

1129
00:44:41,859 --> 00:44:40,190
I've been editing Wikipedia totally

1130
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:41,869
self-taught I've been doing it a little

1131
00:44:48,370 --> 00:44:45,170
over a year as a project with the blog

1132
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:48,380
and so on I a little before tam nine so

1133
00:44:54,370 --> 00:44:51,680
I have only been editing Wikipedia about

1134
00:44:55,809 --> 00:44:54,380
18 months totally never done it before

1135
00:44:57,549 --> 00:44:55,819
in my life don't know anything about

1136
00:44:59,920 --> 00:44:57,559
computers what sparked your interest in

1137
00:45:02,380 --> 00:44:59,930
editing Wikipedia Tim Farley gave a talk

1138
00:45:06,329 --> 00:45:02,390
on one of the cruises I have been to so

1139
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:06,339
many lectures conferences and so on that

1140
00:45:10,809 --> 00:45:08,930
after there's a point in time where

1141
00:45:12,489 --> 00:45:10,819
you're tired of lecturing listening to

1142
00:45:14,769 --> 00:45:12,499
lectures and you just have to go out and

1143
00:45:17,229 --> 00:45:14,779
do something it's you reach a saturation

1144
00:45:19,210 --> 00:45:17,239
point where the lectures are fascinating

1145
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:19,220
the people are amazing but it's my turn

1146
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:20,930
now and I need to step up and do

1147
00:45:24,849 --> 00:45:22,569
something so Tim Farley talked about

1148
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:24,859
editing Wikipedia and I thought you know

1149
00:45:31,630 --> 00:45:28,880
I think I took a picture of Brian

1150
00:45:33,759 --> 00:45:31,640
Dunning on the cruise and he was and I

1151
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:33,769
went to his Wikipedia page I upload the

1152
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:36,410
picture to his Wikipedia page and I was

1153
00:45:40,989 --> 00:45:39,200
hooked great you're one of your missions

1154
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:40,999
it would seem is to make sure that there

1155
00:45:47,890 --> 00:45:45,680
is a photo of each notable skeptic of

1156
00:45:50,799 --> 00:45:47,900
their face for their wikipedia pages

1157
00:45:52,130 --> 00:45:50,809
because there are lots of notable people

1158
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:52,140
on wikipedia that have no

1159
00:45:57,260 --> 00:45:54,690
face it would appear but all the

1160
00:45:59,360 --> 00:45:57,270
skeptics do and I think it's because of

1161
00:46:01,460 --> 00:45:59,370
you I remember you're so fast with it

1162
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:01,470
too it's like like oh she just took this

1163
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:03,690
picture for three hours ago notes on now

1164
00:46:09,290 --> 00:46:06,450
it's up and it's a great thing I love

1165
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:09,300
that what have you edited like notably

1166
00:46:14,930 --> 00:46:12,450
that you can think of surprise manages

1167
00:46:16,610 --> 00:46:14,940
just an article oh gosh I've done just

1168
00:46:17,870 --> 00:46:16,620
about everything the ideas is you really

1169
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:17,880
want to spread yourself around if it has

1170
00:46:23,090 --> 00:46:20,450
anything to do with skepticism science

1171
00:46:26,420 --> 00:46:23,100
my favorite area is psychics and

1172
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:26,430
psychics are the calm grief vampires and

1173
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:28,530
we've the the notorious ones not the

1174
00:46:33,020 --> 00:46:30,570
little old ladies at the corner shop but

1175
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:33,030
we really have to make sure that their

1176
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:35,090
pages are in very good shape not only

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00:46:40,910 --> 00:46:38,610
adding skeptical articles on to the page

1178
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:40,920
but also making sure all the garbage is

1179
00:46:45,410 --> 00:46:43,530
out of the page as far as pictures go

1180
00:46:47,210 --> 00:46:45,420
when you're raised a really good subject

1181
00:46:49,250 --> 00:46:47,220
the project that you're talking about is

1182
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:49,260
we got your wiki back and we're trying

1183
00:46:53,780 --> 00:46:52,290
to make sure that all skeptics that are

1184
00:46:55,730 --> 00:46:53,790
notable in other words are in the news

1185
00:46:58,310 --> 00:46:55,740
they're getting media attention that

1186
00:47:00,500 --> 00:46:58,320
when America the wrestler old wherever

1187
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:00,510
is googling that person's name which

1188
00:47:03,260 --> 00:47:02,130
they're going to do they're going to end

1189
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:03,270
up on a page and they're going to be

1190
00:47:07,340 --> 00:47:04,800
reputable it looks like they're being

1191
00:47:09,290 --> 00:47:07,350
cared for people appreciate them they're

1192
00:47:11,060 --> 00:47:09,300
notable in our community because if we

1193
00:47:14,030 --> 00:47:11,070
don't have their backs nobody has their

1194
00:47:15,620 --> 00:47:14,040
backs they don't look credible and it's

1195
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:15,630
just a shame so I like to put up more

1196
00:47:19,790 --> 00:47:17,040
than one picture I am a photographer

1197
00:47:23,390 --> 00:47:19,800
betrayed I look baby photographer that's

1198
00:47:25,010 --> 00:47:23,400
why I'm so quick and anyway so getting

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00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:25,020
the pictures up I like to put up several

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00:47:29,810 --> 00:47:26,640
pictures maybe a portrait picture and

1201
00:47:33,650 --> 00:47:29,820
also at a podium showing aspects of the

1202
00:47:35,780 --> 00:47:33,660
life that are not necessarily skeptic

1203
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:35,790
related in the case of your father if I

1204
00:47:40,070 --> 00:47:38,370
can mention him he is a ping-pong table

1205
00:47:42,050 --> 00:47:40,080
tennis excuse me of 10

1206
00:47:44,060 --> 00:47:42,060
Table Tennis expert he's also in

1207
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:44,070
Survivor he's also noted skeptic of

1208
00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:48,000
quite Fame he has many pictures on his

1209
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:50,310
page 1 of them of which is from

1210
00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:52,850
skeptical that you mentioned earlier and

1211
00:47:58,580 --> 00:47:56,250
he's holding the jrf pig pegasus oh yeah

1212
00:48:01,160 --> 00:47:58,590
so it's one way of making somebody who's

1213
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:01,170
into table tennis and survivor who would

1214
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:02,970
be coming to his page would see the

1215
00:48:08,030 --> 00:48:06,240
biggest pig with the j RF tag and the

1216
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:08,040
skeptical tag and then all of a sudden

1217
00:48:11,930 --> 00:48:09,810
people who maybe have never heard of

1218
00:48:13,580 --> 00:48:11,940
skepticism are going what's this they

1219
00:48:15,350 --> 00:48:13,590
click on the link in there they have a

1220
00:48:17,180 --> 00:48:15,360
new window to skepticism that they never

1221
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:17,190
even thought existed and we're going

1222
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:20,640
from a table tennis and and survivor who

1223
00:48:26,290 --> 00:48:23,250
would think yes so um this latest

1224
00:48:30,140 --> 00:48:26,300
project that I just found out about is a

1225
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:30,150
foreign language wikipedia project can

1226
00:48:33,350 --> 00:48:31,410
you tell us tell me more about that

1227
00:48:35,570 --> 00:48:33,360
right what we're doing and we're just

1228
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:35,580
launching it now is I'm looking for I'm

1229
00:48:38,420 --> 00:48:36,930
always looking for people who will help

1230
00:48:40,310 --> 00:48:38,430
out with a project in any language with

1231
00:48:42,530 --> 00:48:40,320
any skill level even if you don't think

1232
00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:42,540
you can contribute I can make a find a

1233
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:44,310
way for you to contribute zillions of

1234
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:46,290
things we can have for you to do but

1235
00:48:52,850 --> 00:48:49,770
this project we're calling it let's

1236
00:48:55,780 --> 00:48:52,860
start with Jerry we're taking the word

1237
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:55,790
i'm currently rewriting the Jerry Andrus

1238
00:49:01,490 --> 00:48:58,050
one of the founders of the skeptical

1239
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:01,500
modern skeptical movement and a optical

1240
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:03,570
illusion he invented optical illusions

1241
00:49:09,350 --> 00:49:06,050
amazing person who passed away in 2007

1242
00:49:11,090 --> 00:49:09,360
I'm rewriting his Wikipedia page and it

1243
00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:11,100
dawned on me that if we rewrite his

1244
00:49:16,340 --> 00:49:12,420
Wikipedia page in every language

1245
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,350
possible will be sparing skepticism this

1246
00:49:21,290 --> 00:49:18,240
was because optical illusions are

1247
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:21,300
incredible way of explaining skepticism

1248
00:49:27,410 --> 00:49:26,010
and science and from that once his page

1249
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:27,420
is written in every language we can

1250
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:30,210
think of swahili swedish checklist vaca

1251
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:31,890
and everything you can think of Klingon

1252
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:34,770
fling on well this I Wikipedia but if

1253
00:49:38,990 --> 00:49:36,330
their wikipedia had Cleon we would be

1254
00:49:42,050 --> 00:49:39,000
there yet we will be able to use it like

1255
00:49:45,290 --> 00:49:42,060
a tree and branch off of that one page

1256
00:49:48,530 --> 00:49:45,300
all the different topics cold reading

1257
00:49:50,330 --> 00:49:48,540
spoon bending uri geller all the

1258
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:50,340
different topics just branch off of it

1259
00:49:54,410 --> 00:49:50,880
and we can take

1260
00:49:56,660 --> 00:49:54,420
over the world knowledge base and bring

1261
00:49:59,029 --> 00:49:56,670
skepticism to everywhere every time in

1262
00:50:01,329 --> 00:49:59,039
every language that is just saw me I

1263
00:50:06,859 --> 00:50:01,339
would I would never have thought of that

1264
00:50:09,740 --> 00:50:06,869
but now that I now that you've said it

1265
00:50:12,259 --> 00:50:09,750
it's like it's so obvious like because

1266
00:50:15,049 --> 00:50:12,269
you know it seems to be a very English

1267
00:50:18,049 --> 00:50:15,059
language centric movement that's not to

1268
00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:18,059
say there aren't skeptics in other

1269
00:50:23,089 --> 00:50:20,460
non-english speaking countries there are

1270
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:23,099
and but they need to be empowered they

1271
00:50:26,990 --> 00:50:24,450
need to know that there are there's a

1272
00:50:29,210 --> 00:50:27,000
whole group of people supportive of

1273
00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:29,220
skepticism so I noticed that you were

1274
00:50:34,220 --> 00:50:31,529
actually looking for translators here at

1275
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:34,230
town yes about how many of you got so

1276
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:37,170
far oh gosh I just got a couple mentions

1277
00:50:41,390 --> 00:50:39,359
and I was surrounded maybe 30 people

1278
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:41,400
anything millions of all feels like

1279
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:43,200
millions of languages but I was

1280
00:50:46,910 --> 00:50:45,000
absolutely overrun and I need way more

1281
00:50:48,589 --> 00:50:46,920
than just that yeah you know that I

1282
00:50:52,009 --> 00:50:48,599
noticed you've got a lot of the main

1283
00:50:58,609 --> 00:50:52,019
world languages you German in there I

1284
00:51:02,720 --> 00:50:58,619
saj Spanish Turkish of Turkish I Swahili

1285
00:51:04,579 --> 00:51:02,730
is next and you know even if I have five

1286
00:51:07,549 --> 00:51:04,589
German editors that want to help out I

1287
00:51:10,670 --> 00:51:07,559
need probably 15 or 20 more than that so

1288
00:51:12,170 --> 00:51:10,680
even if Melissa nur says oh well she's

1289
00:51:15,769 --> 00:51:12,180
probably already got to get 10 French

1290
00:51:17,150 --> 00:51:15,779
speakers I need probably 10 to 50 more

1291
00:51:19,700 --> 00:51:17,160
so there's the project is going to be

1292
00:51:21,170 --> 00:51:19,710
that massive that if this is pulled off

1293
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:21,180
correctly which we're hoping you'll go

1294
00:51:27,230 --> 00:51:25,049
well we need tons of editors and tons of

1295
00:51:29,329 --> 00:51:27,240
languages so please you know you can

1296
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:29,339
help out you know the other language

1297
00:51:35,529 --> 00:51:33,450
yeah Dec Susan and Susan where can our

1298
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:35,539
listeners contact you if they want to it

1299
00:51:40,430 --> 00:51:38,250
mine just come right to my email which

1300
00:51:44,089 --> 00:51:40,440
is Susan garba canned that spelled ger

1301
00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:44,099
bi c @ yahoo.com and I do have a blog

1302
00:51:49,130 --> 00:51:47,250
you can easily google that on it's

1303
00:51:51,079 --> 00:51:49,140
called guerrilla skepticism on wikipedia

1304
00:51:53,950 --> 00:51:51,089
it's very easy to find I'm everywhere

1305
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:53,960
susan goreck @ yahoo.com

1306
00:51:59,680 --> 00:51:56,960
thank you very much tell me about what

1307
00:52:02,140 --> 00:51:59,690
you guys did yesterday oh this was such

1308
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:02,150
a blast were the reason why I'm involved

1309
00:52:06,540 --> 00:52:04,010
in the independent investigations group

1310
00:52:08,859 --> 00:52:06,550
is that I really want to do things and

1311
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:08,869
instead of just talking and listening to

1312
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:11,330
lectures and as soon as I said so what

1313
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:13,310
we did is where at the amazing meeting

1314
00:52:18,730 --> 00:52:15,680
and filly Brown is just down the street

1315
00:52:20,859 --> 00:52:18,740
and we took some of bin Radford's

1316
00:52:23,620 --> 00:52:20,869
banners thats a convicted felon Sylvia

1317
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:23,630
Browne and we went about thirteen of us

1318
00:52:28,329 --> 00:52:26,000
and it was not necessarily an IG project

1319
00:52:30,940 --> 00:52:28,339
but it was headed by almost everybody

1320
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:30,950
niig and mark Edward was the one who

1321
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:32,690
organized everything and we went to

1322
00:52:38,980 --> 00:52:37,010
Sylvia Browns venue and handed out

1323
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:38,990
flyers and talk to the people going into

1324
00:52:44,260 --> 00:52:41,119
the shows and it was amazing the thing

1325
00:52:48,099 --> 00:52:44,270
we learned the thing that we learned was

1326
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:48,109
that most people walking by and had

1327
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:49,730
never heard of Sylvia Browne and that

1328
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:51,650
was a pretty an amazing thing because

1329
00:52:54,070 --> 00:52:52,880
we're so immersed in the skeptical

1330
00:52:55,690 --> 00:52:54,080
movement we think everybody knows

1331
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they'll be brown but just in our little

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survey of people walking by most people

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have never heard of her it was pretty

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cool interesting well it was still good

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that you guys did that a lot of fun

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anybody can do it it's awesome thank you

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so much for talking with me today and so

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good luck with the project i hope you

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get as many translators as you can

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anybody can help anybody any language

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even if they only speak english please

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the skeptic magazine the journal from

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visit w WC APA mau and click the

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their over 30 years on back issues free

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to download the skeptic magazine from

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which it that was an incredible second

1350
00:54:16,450 --> 00:54:15,020
shot back from 10 yeah i still like last

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00:54:17,950 --> 00:54:16,460
week's episode of course because may not

1352
00:54:20,380 --> 00:54:17,960
spoke to james randi that was our

1353
00:54:22,570 --> 00:54:20,390
discourse and now this we just heard may

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00:54:24,190 --> 00:54:22,580
not speak to George rub and in the

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00:54:27,130 --> 00:54:24,200
coming weeks may not speak to I think

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everybody what is there yeah I think he

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00:54:30,700 --> 00:54:28,370
spoke to every single person in Las

1358
00:54:32,410 --> 00:54:30,710
Vegas I think he did get married while

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he was here by Elvis or anything like me

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and divorced again oh just one day you

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can do that Mercedes i have' didn't to

1362
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relive that movie to hang over while he

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was here because maybe he did maybe

1364
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that's why I only saw him every now

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there's ride thought Tigers are crazy

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people actually come to think of it when

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I was there I went to another casino

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just sightseeing and it's the only time

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I walk by a chapel hmm and I think it

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could be of course people can do look

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very good married by illness well I'm

1372
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looking forward to hearing more and more

1373
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and more about what happened over there

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hey wins it wins the next ten Australia

1375
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is that happening well we don't know

1376
00:55:12,340 --> 00:55:09,950
when the next town Australia is going to

1377
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be that's a huge undertaking money we've

1378
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got sort of the next best thing at the

1379
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end of the year we've got the Australian

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skeptics national convention with James

1381
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Randi oh so that's as almost long as

1382
00:55:24,250 --> 00:55:22,430
it's as good as a temp james randi DJ go

1383
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for you rebecca watson lots of other

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people hire me mmm and we want to invite

1385
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a few people from overseas as well well

1386
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we can come tonight everybody's welcome

1387
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to come if you want to buy a ticket and

1388
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:35,450
airfare you can come along check out w

1389
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WC optics com today you are seats are

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filling up fast because you know James

1391
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Randi you'll be doing this is your

1392
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:44,450
chance to meet James Randi in Australia

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end of november in Melbourne Melbourne

1394
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yeah no but is a lovely City Higgins it

1395
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is come on down that time of the year is

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really nice and beautiful weather

1397
00:55:57,970 --> 00:55:56,540
beautiful yeah it does it's actually not

1398
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raining for a change and I've got and

1399
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and despite what you think Melbourne

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00:56:04,300 --> 00:56:01,910
people you've got public transport but

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00:56:06,850 --> 00:56:04,310
there and it works really well at

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00:56:08,350 --> 00:56:06,860
repaired the city yeah oh well that

1403
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:08,360
sounds great well I guess we'll see you

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00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:11,090
in the next episode yeah I'm going to

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get a home now and have a good lie down

1406
00:56:16,930 --> 00:56:15,530
yeah the about Jay think about plane

1407
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:16,940
travels and

1408
00:56:22,359 --> 00:56:19,130
thanks I wasn't to get over it it does

1409
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:22,369
yeah it does and and I was just showing

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00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:24,530
you a photograph when I left finally

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00:56:29,790 --> 00:56:25,970
left the United States this time it was

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00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:29,800
via Los Angeles mm-hmm and I was in a

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00:56:42,550 --> 00:56:35,089
lounge pot crowded people on the floor

1414
00:56:45,370 --> 00:56:42,560
and and the announcements were like well

1415
00:56:47,500 --> 00:56:45,380
everyone's looking what what what what

1416
00:56:49,380 --> 00:56:47,510
are they saying to us yes funny out it

1417
00:56:51,790 --> 00:56:49,390
all part of the joys of Los Angeles air

1418
00:56:54,460 --> 00:56:51,800
travelers sort of become bit like yeah

1419
00:56:56,050 --> 00:56:54,470
the whole cattle theism not really used

1420
00:56:58,690 --> 00:56:56,060
to be like it have was a fabulous

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00:57:00,819 --> 00:56:58,700
luxurious thing to do now it's like well

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00:57:03,550 --> 00:57:00,829
it's good and bad it's getting bad I've

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00:57:04,809 --> 00:57:03,560
been Los Angeles Airport it and for

1424
00:57:07,359 --> 00:57:04,819
those people who know Los Angeles

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00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:07,369
Airport it's it's a wonderful experience

1426
00:57:11,950 --> 00:57:09,770
all to itself it run down some some bits

1427
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:11,960
bits some bits of wonderful indeed some

1428
00:57:17,859 --> 00:57:15,290
bits are a bit rundown and anyway well

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00:57:24,569 --> 00:57:17,869
let's sign off let's see everyone again

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you've been listening to the skeptic

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